But due to the comments on the LJ xpost of this, I apparently have to make it explicit.
COMMENTING RULES
1. DO NOT use slurs against marginalized groups. This includes lame and retarded.
2. BY NO MEANS DEFEND your usage of these slurs, because meanings change/etymology/it's a minority opinion/wtfever. If you do, I reserve the right to call you an asshole, a privileged jackass, or a jerk.
Thank you.
COMMENTING RULES
1. DO NOT use slurs against marginalized groups. This includes lame and retarded.
2. BY NO MEANS DEFEND your usage of these slurs, because meanings change/etymology/it's a minority opinion/wtfever. If you do, I reserve the right to call you an asshole, a privileged jackass, or a jerk.
Thank you.
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Date: 2011-02-03 03:01 pm (UTC)From:No matter how many times Leora has pointed out that, no, no matter what you think, lame and retarded are NOT divorced from the slurs on physically and mentally disabled people, the digging in of heels still goes on.
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Date: 2011-02-04 12:46 am (UTC)From:And in fact, I saw what looked like a great example of that in the discussion on your earlier post:
If my years of intense debate through the flame wars of Usenet taught me anything, it was that people essentially never respond well to harsh language, no matter how valid the reasons behind it. I became one of the most respected Tolkien scholars on the 'net not just by having knowledge, but by (usually) finding ways to communicate it well.
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Date: 2011-02-04 12:57 am (UTC)From:Skuld, otoh, has no interest at all in changing her behavior. This is based on previous interactions in which she refused to quit using words a mutual friend found hurtful and told her so directly. It was the same "my intent is good, so your hurt doesn't matter" argument. Clearly, giving her time to reconsider was futile, because she has no desire to do so.
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Date: 2011-02-04 01:42 am (UTC)From:I mostly conceded in exhaustion, taking pause to reflect and regroup. Also because there's only so much I can dispute when approached by the person who is directly affected by the topic.
Additionally, akiko comes from a position that strongly opposes bigotry. While I'm not a fan of it either, I come from a position that strongly opposes censorship. It was on the message of her previous post that our swords crossed.
I don't know if we'll ever come to an exact agreement on this, but I'm willing to better understand her perspective. I believe that we both want a better world and we'll never defeat the enemy if we're at each other's throats.
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Date: 2011-02-04 03:03 am (UTC)From:If someone simply forbids me from saying something, I'll usually object. But if someone tells me that saying that thing hurts them personally or gives a clear argument that it could do unanticipated harm to others, I'll take that into account when I choose my language in the future. And I don't consider that to be censorship at all.
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Date: 2011-02-04 03:31 am (UTC)From: